A thread that started with an article on agave syrup and whether it is a healthy choice for a sweetener has turned into a hot debate about honey and those who consume it. Some argue that you cannot call yourself a vegan if you consume honey. Others say you should use the label honey-tarian, others say beegan, while others prefer the label vegetarian. Labels, schmabels. I eat raw honey and bee pollen and I don't feel horrible about it.. and I call myself high raw, mostly vegan if anyone asks but who really cares? My eatng habits change and I guess my labels do as well.
The thread started in July of 2009 and as of today (September 13 2010) is still rocking.
Give your piece: http://goneraw.com/forum/interesting-article-about-agave-syrup-not-healthy-product-you-may-think-it
I liked this bit: http://goneraw.com/forum/interesting-article-about-agave-syrup-not-healthy-product-you-may-think-it?page=1#comment-140285
"What is a vegan? Why is it okay for vegans to consume substances that are the product of a plants survival (seeds, fruits, fibers, etc)? Plants are living, breathing creatures, aren't they? Why, if we actually eat the plants, is it not okay to eat substances created by the bees? The survival of the human species requires consumption of living plants. For the sake of argument or explanation... Venus fly traps are classified as plants but can feel, breathe and react. Not that we eat the venus fly trap, but what is the difference? Does my lettuce feel, breathe, and react? What about an apple tree? When you pluck an apple does it hurt the tree? When you cut a flower does it sting the plant? Why do vegans extend amnesty only towards those creatures who react emotionally when slaughtered? Most animals react the way a human would when faced with death. I just don't see honey or bee pollen as a non-vegan delicacy. The bees 'steal' from the plants, we 'steal' from the bees. I guess I'm just not a vegan."
And this: http://goneraw.com/forum/interesting-article-about-agave-syrup-not-healthy-product-you-may-think-it?page=1#comment-140296
"I love when vegans get feisty! I completely understand what a vegan is, that isn't the question. It isn't rocket science, its just another 'holier-than-thou' religion. I'm a raw vegan who occasionally eats honey and bee pollen. I inadvertantly eat insect eggs that grow on my greens and bugs I swallow when I ride my bike. Oh no! I guess I'll change my label to 'accidental carnivore'. We all understand what a vegan is. I will proudly play devil's advocate. Yes, and why is it more ethical to raise plants for food? Because they don't look sad when going to the slaughter. I am not denying that a raw plant based diet is the optimal way to eat. I guess its more of a philosophical question."